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		<title>By: &#187; Top 40 Blog Posts on Corporate Social Media Spotlight Ideas</title>
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		<dc:creator>&#187; Top 40 Blog Posts on Corporate Social Media Spotlight Ideas</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 09 Nov 2009 22:18:04 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] Companies Must Plan Holistically For Social –Beyond Marketing – Jermiah Owyang – Oct ‘09 [...]</description>
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		<title>By: Google Wave, #hashtags, social Intranets and students in space&#160;&#124;&#160;Customer Engagement Unit</title>
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		<dc:creator>Google Wave, #hashtags, social Intranets and students in space&#160;&#124;&#160;Customer Engagement Unit</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 08 Oct 2009 18:53:04 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] Beyond marketing: Companies must view social holistically [...]</description>
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		<title>By: [Report] for October 7th 2009 - AndreaVascellari.com &#124; Andrea Vascellari</title>
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		<dc:creator>[Report] for October 7th 2009 - AndreaVascellari.com &#124; Andrea Vascellari</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 07 Oct 2009 15:59:29 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] Companies Must Plan Holistically For Social –Beyond Marketing &#8211; Major impacts to other departments beyond marketing. [...]</description>
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		<title>By: Social media puts on its business suit: Part 2 of 2 &#124; Societrends</title>
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		<dc:creator>Social media puts on its business suit: Part 2 of 2 &#124; Societrends</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 06 Oct 2009 01:23:04 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] ability to impact a business&#8217; entire org chart. The latest, and a solid read, comes from strategist Jeremiah Owyang.  August 19, [...]</description>
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<p>[...] ability to impact a business&#8217; entire org chart. The latest, and a solid read, comes from strategist Jeremiah Owyang.  August 19, [...]</p>
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		<title>By: Doug Haslam</title>
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		<dc:creator>Doug Haslam</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 05 Oct 2009 18:10:01 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>When you said &quot;holistic&quot; I first imagined melding social media components with legacy strategies and tactics (i.e., &quot;traditional&quot;). I wonder if that was what Craig was hinting at above.

Well, if you meld the holistic social media across departments with the holistic plans for each department, combining social media and &quot;traditional&quot; concepts, you&#039;d have one hell of a 3-D graphic.</description>
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<p>When you said &#8220;holistic&#8221; I first imagined melding social media components with legacy strategies and tactics (i.e., &#8220;traditional&#8221;). I wonder if that was what Craig was hinting at above.</p>
<p>Well, if you meld the holistic social media across departments with the holistic plans for each department, combining social media and &#8220;traditional&#8221; concepts, you&#8217;d have one hell of a 3-D graphic.</p>
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		<title>By: Box Scores: Sept. 28-Oct. 4 &#8211; &#8220;Bestsellers, wasting time and social media ownership&#8221; &#171; Work. Play. Do Good.</title>
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		<dc:creator>Box Scores: Sept. 28-Oct. 4 &#8211; &#8220;Bestsellers, wasting time and social media ownership&#8221; &#171; Work. Play. Do Good.</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 05 Oct 2009 15:19:10 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] -“Companies Must Plan Holistically for Social –Beyond Marketing” [...]</description>
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		<title>By: News Update – Best of the Day</title>
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		<dc:creator>News Update – Best of the Day</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 05 Oct 2009 09:42:09 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] to plan holistically to make your company departments understand why it will become social, thinks Jeremiah Owyang. And I completely do agree with these [...]</description>
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<p>[...] to plan holistically to make your company departments understand why it will become social, thinks Jeremiah Owyang. And I completely do agree with these [...]</p>
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		<title>By: Reggi D.</title>
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		<dc:creator>Reggi D.</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 03 Oct 2009 00:11:24 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I have to agree with Mark Fidelman on this point. With all the buzz you can create towards these media sites and being able to interact with your customers can give you a positive impact on the cost reduction. Social media makes you able to be at the core to locate every customers needs.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I have to agree with Mark Fidelman on this point. With all the buzz you can create towards these media sites and being able to interact with your customers can give you a positive impact on the cost reduction. Social media makes you able to be at the core to locate every customers needs.</p>
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		<title>By: Requirements &#171; DfM</title>
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		<dc:creator>Requirements &#171; DfM</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 02 Oct 2009 23:24:54 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] a little rough around the edges, but it absolutely rings true.  Jeremiah Owyang has a new post here where he urges companies to bring &#8217;social&#8217; beyond just the marketing department.  I [...]</description>
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<p>[...] a little rough around the edges, but it absolutely rings true.  Jeremiah Owyang has a new post here where he urges companies to bring &#8217;social&#8217; beyond just the marketing department.  I [...]</p>
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		<title>By: Onward and Upward &#124; Jason Chan - Digital, Web, Social and e-Commerce Strategy</title>
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		<dc:creator>Onward and Upward &#124; Jason Chan - Digital, Web, Social and e-Commerce Strategy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 02 Oct 2009 21:46:28 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] business, they will see the merit of including customers in different parts of their company. As Jeremiah Owyang outlines, beyond PR and communication, there are natural extensions to marketing, support and product [...]</description>
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<p>[...] business, they will see the merit of including customers in different parts of their company. As Jeremiah Owyang outlines, beyond PR and communication, there are natural extensions to marketing, support and product [...]</p>
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		<title>By: Mark Fidelman</title>
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		<dc:creator>Mark Fidelman</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 02 Oct 2009 20:58:47 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>One glaring omission Jeremiah, is the company supply chain.  Being able to interact with your suppliers via Enterprise or social media channels will have positive impact on cost reduction initiatives, supply chain efficiency, and demand management.</description>
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<p>One glaring omission Jeremiah, is the company supply chain.  Being able to interact with your suppliers via Enterprise or social media channels will have positive impact on cost reduction initiatives, supply chain efficiency, and demand management.</p>
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		<title>By: Steve</title>
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		<dc:creator>Steve</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 02 Oct 2009 19:05:03 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I&#039;m with Taylor. Customer service and customer care are going to be dealing with the frontline fallout for organisations who fail to monitor and engage in social conversations with their audience. It&#039;s the customer team who are the most social in any brand (or should be).

What I love about the new definitions of social business/media is the fact that it will force companies to address the customer journey touchpoint failures they&#039;ve been hiding behind for so many years. Nowhere to hide now!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;m with Taylor. Customer service and customer care are going to be dealing with the frontline fallout for organisations who fail to monitor and engage in social conversations with their audience. It&#8217;s the customer team who are the most social in any brand (or should be).</p>
<p>What I love about the new definitions of social business/media is the fact that it will force companies to address the customer journey touchpoint failures they&#8217;ve been hiding behind for so many years. Nowhere to hide now!</p>
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		<title>By: Taylor Ellwood</title>
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		<dc:creator>Taylor Ellwood</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 02 Oct 2009 18:16:22 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Customer service is another department to include.

Taylor</description>
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		<title>By: Carlos Hernandez</title>
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		<dc:creator>Carlos Hernandez</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 02 Oct 2009 14:54:04 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I would submit the folks who work on the factory floor, who likely fall under the Operations department. 

I recall taking customers to plant visits and I was amazed by the discipline required to perform repetitive tasks. Yet when approached they were seemingly very happy that someone other than their supervisor was paying attention to them.

Imagine Procter &amp; Gamble&#039;s blue collar labor force being in actual touch with customers who use &quot;Tide&quot; connecting via Twitter? Disruptive, yet how can this not be seen as authentic?</description>
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<p>I would submit the folks who work on the factory floor, who likely fall under the Operations department. </p>
<p>I recall taking customers to plant visits and I was amazed by the discipline required to perform repetitive tasks. Yet when approached they were seemingly very happy that someone other than their supervisor was paying attention to them.</p>
<p>Imagine Procter &amp; Gamble&#8217;s blue collar labor force being in actual touch with customers who use &#8220;Tide&#8221; connecting via Twitter? Disruptive, yet how can this not be seen as authentic?</p>
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		<title>By: http://HelpLearn.info Wp Blogging Tools, Marketing &#38; Ads http &#8230; &#124; ProBlogr</title>
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		<pubDate>Fri, 02 Oct 2009 08:42:42 +0000</pubDate>
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		<title>By: Connie Bensen</title>
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		<dc:creator>Connie Bensen</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 02 Oct 2009 05:00:56 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>How ironic! Today in a meeting with my VP of development I explained that I have &#039;a holistic view&#039; because of &lt;a href=&quot;http://tinyurl.com/y9kwayn&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;my role as a community strategist.&lt;/a&gt;
I really appreciate that Alterian (who recently acquired my company, Techrigy SM2)is open to implementing my social &#039;habits&#039;. I loved working cross functionally in our startup &amp; I&#039;m enjoying the new challenges of integrating my practices into an enterprise that&#039;s global. 

I&#039;m leading a workshop on the How-to&#039;s on this topic at Enterprise 2.0 in Nov in SF. I invite everyone to join the discussion!

And for Maayan, have you considered using networks like Twitter &amp; LinkedIn for lead gen? My team has had great success (and our customers prefer telephone/email too).</description>
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<p>How ironic! Today in a meeting with my VP of development I explained that I have &#8216;a holistic view&#8217; because of <a href="http://tinyurl.com/y9kwayn" rel="nofollow">my role as a community strategist.</a><br />
I really appreciate that Alterian (who recently acquired my company, Techrigy SM2)is open to implementing my social &#8216;habits&#8217;. I loved working cross functionally in our startup &amp; I&#8217;m enjoying the new challenges of integrating my practices into an enterprise that&#8217;s global. </p>
<p>I&#8217;m leading a workshop on the How-to&#8217;s on this topic at Enterprise 2.0 in Nov in SF. I invite everyone to join the discussion!</p>
<p>And for Maayan, have you considered using networks like Twitter &amp; LinkedIn for lead gen? My team has had great success (and our customers prefer telephone/email too).</p>
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		<title>By: Maayan Roman</title>
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		<dc:creator>Maayan Roman</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 02 Oct 2009 03:24:45 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Working in client services at a B2B I have to question how much value the use of twitter can bring to our clients whose questions/problems are often very technical and specific to their accounts. On the one hand our department as a whole could perhaps use twitter to notify clients of product enhancements or temporary issues/downtime. But for the former, blogs or email probably do it better, and for the latter making problems public could unnecessarily hurt our reputation (as an aside we really do have 99% up time, so maybe the infrequency of &quot;problem&quot; tweets would be to our benefit publicly).

Having only worked at one company I certainly can&#039;t speak for other B2B&#039;s, but despite not using most social media to help our clients we&#039;re obeying the all important rule of being where your clients are. In our case, they&#039;re on email/phone. (More support for your hypothesis that &lt;a href=&quot;http://bit.ly/MEQW2&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;email is a social network&lt;/a&gt;)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Working in client services at a B2B I have to question how much value the use of twitter can bring to our clients whose questions/problems are often very technical and specific to their accounts. On the one hand our department as a whole could perhaps use twitter to notify clients of product enhancements or temporary issues/downtime. But for the former, blogs or email probably do it better, and for the latter making problems public could unnecessarily hurt our reputation (as an aside we really do have 99% up time, so maybe the infrequency of &#8220;problem&#8221; tweets would be to our benefit publicly).</p>
<p>Having only worked at one company I certainly can&#8217;t speak for other B2B&#8217;s, but despite not using most social media to help our clients we&#8217;re obeying the all important rule of being where your clients are. In our case, they&#8217;re on email/phone. (More support for your hypothesis that <a href="http://bit.ly/MEQW2" rel="nofollow">email is a social network</a>)</p>
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		<title>By: Craig Stark</title>
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		<dc:creator>Craig Stark</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 01 Oct 2009 21:09:19 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Great topic.

I think of holistically meaning a combination of the creation of a horizontal presence between and within departments-&quot;tipping the silos&quot;- a also the layered social media practicum as Filiberto described.

It can&#039;t be a pure SM play without getting the business flow aligned first..it&#039;s both the challenge and the opportunity.</description>
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<p>I think of holistically meaning a combination of the creation of a horizontal presence between and within departments-&#8221;tipping the silos&#8221;- a also the layered social media practicum as Filiberto described.</p>
<p>It can&#8217;t be a pure SM play without getting the business flow aligned first..it&#8217;s both the challenge and the opportunity.</p>
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		<title>By: jeremiah_owyang</title>
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		<dc:creator>jeremiah_owyang</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 01 Oct 2009 16:21:33 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Cory

Yes, Legal is severely impacted by every single of the above mentioned.  They must couple with HR and Marketing and other groups immediately to set guidelines.

I often advise clients to involve legal early, however come prepared with a risk mitigation plan.  I had to do this at Hitachi.</description>
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<p>Yes, Legal is severely impacted by every single of the above mentioned.  They must couple with HR and Marketing and other groups immediately to set guidelines.</p>
<p>I often advise clients to involve legal early, however come prepared with a risk mitigation plan.  I had to do this at Hitachi.</p>
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		<title>By: Cory Huff</title>
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		<dc:creator>Cory Huff</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 01 Oct 2009 16:01:13 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>How about legal? No one&#039;s mentioned it. The legal department probably needs to be aware of what&#039;s happening in the sphere at the least.

I&#039;m with Eric. You can&#039;t just hire one guy and expect him to be your entire company&#039;s presence. Customers &amp; potential customers need to see that your company lives and breathes as a collection of individuals, not a monolith.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>How about legal? No one&#8217;s mentioned it. The legal department probably needs to be aware of what&#8217;s happening in the sphere at the least.</p>
<p>I&#8217;m with Eric. You can&#8217;t just hire one guy and expect him to be your entire company&#8217;s presence. Customers &amp; potential customers need to see that your company lives and breathes as a collection of individuals, not a monolith.</p>
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