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	<title>Comments on: The Unrecognizable Taglines of the Community Platform Space</title>
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		<title>By: Social Media Management System (SMMS) Lack Differentiation in Positioning, Confusing Market &#171; Web Strategy by Jeremiah Owyang &#124; Social Media, Web Marketing</title>
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		<dc:creator>Social Media Management System (SMMS) Lack Differentiation in Positioning, Confusing Market &#171; Web Strategy by Jeremiah Owyang &#124; Social Media, Web Marketing</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 11 Jul 2011 12:42:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] the first thing that buyers see (positioning) before even evaluating the feature set. Furthermore, I&#8217;ve done a similar exercise before with the community platform space a few years ago, a space I draw clear parallels as the SMMS space follows suit. Clearly this [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] the first thing that buyers see (positioning) before even evaluating the feature set. Furthermore, I&#8217;ve done a similar exercise before with the community platform space a few years ago, a space I draw clear parallels as the SMMS space follows suit. Clearly this [...]</p>
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		<pubDate>Wed, 05 May 2010 13:10:28 +0000</pubDate>
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		<title>By: jeremiah_owyang</title>
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		<dc:creator>jeremiah_owyang</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 29 Jan 2009 02:21:30 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Adam

I lookrd for tag lines, in many cases, I didn&#039;t find them so resulted with the HTML title tag.

To your point, if everyone&#039;s suggesting the description is the same --that still leads for little differentiation.

So, whether we measure descriptors or tag lines --the differentiation still isn&#039;t apparent.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Adam</p>
<p>I lookrd for tag lines, in many cases, I didn&#8217;t find them so resulted with the HTML title tag.</p>
<p>To your point, if everyone&#8217;s suggesting the description is the same &#8211;that still leads for little differentiation.</p>
<p>So, whether we measure descriptors or tag lines &#8211;the differentiation still isn&#8217;t apparent.</p>
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		<title>By: Adam Weinroth</title>
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		<dc:creator>Adam Weinroth</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 28 Jan 2009 23:05:24 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Jeremiah, thanks for instigating some healthy conversation on the topic. The only issue with this experiment though is that it assumed that what’s in your HTML title bar is in fact your tagline. That&#039;s not often the case though. Consider Home Depot, whose brilliant tagline is &quot;You can do it. We can help.&quot; That&#039;s quite different from what you&#039;ll find between their HTML title tags, and for good reason... Positioning a brand is somewhat different from positioning a web document.

In Pluck&#039;s case, we&#039;ve left our HTML doc title as-is based on its historic contribution to our SEO strength. While typically market our business through the tagline you see under our brand mark on the home page and throughout the site: &quot;Pluck - Integrated Social Media for Publishers, Retailers and Brands&quot;

Wanted to point out this important distinction, and hope this helps to clarify how we position the company. Having said that, you&#039;ve sparked some productive conversation on Pluck&#039;s positioning internally, and we&#039;re taking a look at how we might improve.

Thanks as always for keeping Pluck, our customers and our competitors on our respective toes!

Best,
Adam</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Jeremiah, thanks for instigating some healthy conversation on the topic. The only issue with this experiment though is that it assumed that what’s in your HTML title bar is in fact your tagline. That&#8217;s not often the case though. Consider Home Depot, whose brilliant tagline is &#8220;You can do it. We can help.&#8221; That&#8217;s quite different from what you&#8217;ll find between their HTML title tags, and for good reason&#8230; Positioning a brand is somewhat different from positioning a web document.</p>
<p>In Pluck&#8217;s case, we&#8217;ve left our HTML doc title as-is based on its historic contribution to our SEO strength. While typically market our business through the tagline you see under our brand mark on the home page and throughout the site: &#8220;Pluck &#8211; Integrated Social Media for Publishers, Retailers and Brands&#8221;</p>
<p>Wanted to point out this important distinction, and hope this helps to clarify how we position the company. Having said that, you&#8217;ve sparked some productive conversation on Pluck&#8217;s positioning internally, and we&#8217;re taking a look at how we might improve.</p>
<p>Thanks as always for keeping Pluck, our customers and our competitors on our respective toes!</p>
<p>Best,<br />
Adam</p>
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		<title>By: Jason X</title>
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		<dc:creator>Jason X</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 22 Jan 2009 20:19:46 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hello Mr.Owyang,

I think you are on to something with this survey. I work for one of your chosen tagline vendors in this post. I think the study would be very interesting if it was on a larger sample set and segmented by geography. I am on the sales side so what we see on a daily basis is the competition for projects changes by geography. By no means is this accurate for all deals but a heavy majority. When working on opportunities in the Southwest, especially Texas where there&#039;s a lot of activity, we see a dominance of Pluck, Telligent, Small World Labs. You rarely hear about Awareness, Jive or Mzinga. You go into California &amp; Northwest and you hear a lot about Jive, Pluck and Kick Apps. In the Midwest, only in Chicago do I hear about Jive as you mostly hear LiveWorld,Leverage, and Lithium. In the Southeast, you hear Mzinga, Awareness, Leverage and KickApps. Northeast, Awareness and Mzinga. Just my two cents from the frontline.

Cheers,
Jason</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hello Mr.Owyang,</p>
<p>I think you are on to something with this survey. I work for one of your chosen tagline vendors in this post. I think the study would be very interesting if it was on a larger sample set and segmented by geography. I am on the sales side so what we see on a daily basis is the competition for projects changes by geography. By no means is this accurate for all deals but a heavy majority. When working on opportunities in the Southwest, especially Texas where there&#8217;s a lot of activity, we see a dominance of Pluck, Telligent, Small World Labs. You rarely hear about Awareness, Jive or Mzinga. You go into California &amp; Northwest and you hear a lot about Jive, Pluck and Kick Apps. In the Midwest, only in Chicago do I hear about Jive as you mostly hear LiveWorld,Leverage, and Lithium. In the Southeast, you hear Mzinga, Awareness, Leverage and KickApps. Northeast, Awareness and Mzinga. Just my two cents from the frontline.</p>
<p>Cheers,<br />
Jason</p>
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		<title>By: Sanjay Dholakia</title>
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		<dc:creator>Sanjay Dholakia</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 17 Jan 2009 01:57:43 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Jeremiah, thanx a lot for starting this conversation...I think it will be great as our space evolves. have a great weekend</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Jeremiah, thanx a lot for starting this conversation&#8230;I think it will be great as our space evolves. have a great weekend</p>
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		<title>By: jeremiah_owyang</title>
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		<dc:creator>jeremiah_owyang</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 16 Jan 2009 19:48:40 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Sanjay, thanks for reminding me, I was going to update the post, and I just did (the previous one)  Good insights.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Sanjay, thanks for reminding me, I was going to update the post, and I just did (the previous one)  Good insights.</p>
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		<title>By: Sanjay Dholakia</title>
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		<dc:creator>Sanjay Dholakia</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 16 Jan 2009 17:57:35 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I guess I will come out of the closet as the CMO that Jeremiah referenced as a catalyst for this conversation.  Having recently joined Lithium -- and this industry -- my observation was that everyone was using the same, generic words, whether it was tagline, boiler-plates or other. These results definitely bear that out :-).

Taglines or boiler plates or marketing messages can typically do one of 3 things...1) make  aclaim like &#039;leadership&#039;, 2) describe the compnay or space, or 3) say something about the VALUE to a customer.

I agree with others on the thread that say &quot;leader&quot; claims are meaningless and don&#039;t help customers or prospects.  We are partial to #3...what is the value...that is of course why people should be writing a check.

For all of us in the industry --- we owe the market and the customers better.

So, a question to those influencers, decision-makers, and buyers out there...what is the VALUE that you are most seeking from online customer communities?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I guess I will come out of the closet as the CMO that Jeremiah referenced as a catalyst for this conversation.  Having recently joined Lithium &#8212; and this industry &#8212; my observation was that everyone was using the same, generic words, whether it was tagline, boiler-plates or other. These results definitely bear that out <img src='http://www.web-strategist.com/blog/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':-)' class='wp-smiley' /> .</p>
<p>Taglines or boiler plates or marketing messages can typically do one of 3 things&#8230;1) make  aclaim like &#8216;leadership&#8217;, 2) describe the compnay or space, or 3) say something about the VALUE to a customer.</p>
<p>I agree with others on the thread that say &#8220;leader&#8221; claims are meaningless and don&#8217;t help customers or prospects.  We are partial to #3&#8230;what is the value&#8230;that is of course why people should be writing a check.</p>
<p>For all of us in the industry &#8212; we owe the market and the customers better.</p>
<p>So, a question to those influencers, decision-makers, and buyers out there&#8230;what is the VALUE that you are most seeking from online customer communities?</p>
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		<title>By: jeremiah_owyang</title>
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		<dc:creator>jeremiah_owyang</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 16 Jan 2009 16:19:56 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Patrick

This isn&#039;t light hearted at all, Patrick.

It makes sense to be descriptive in a young market where people don&#039;t get fully what you do.  Nike, Coke, and Apple don&#039;t have that problem as their markets are matured.

The risk is, taglines that are descriptive end up not just describing you --but your competitors, and that&#039;s why they all look the same.

Here&#039;s a few dozen responses from the survey respondents, read here:

http://www.web-strategist.com/blog/about/what-would-you-do-if-you-were-the-cmo-of-a-community-platform-vendor/

Keep in mind out of the 60 respondents, 11 were already customers of community platforms, 17 of the were researching this market, and 1 said they were ready to buy.  That&#039;s nearly half of the respondents that have indicated they are your market base.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Patrick</p>
<p>This isn&#8217;t light hearted at all, Patrick.</p>
<p>It makes sense to be descriptive in a young market where people don&#8217;t get fully what you do.  Nike, Coke, and Apple don&#8217;t have that problem as their markets are matured.</p>
<p>The risk is, taglines that are descriptive end up not just describing you &#8211;but your competitors, and that&#8217;s why they all look the same.</p>
<p>Here&#8217;s a few dozen responses from the survey respondents, read here:</p>
<p><a href="http://www.web-strategist.com/blog/about/what-would-you-do-if-you-were-the-cmo-of-a-community-platform-vendor/" rel="nofollow">http://www.web-strategist.com/blog/about/what-would-you-do-if-you-were-the-cmo-of-a-community-platform-vendor/</a></p>
<p>Keep in mind out of the 60 respondents, 11 were already customers of community platforms, 17 of the were researching this market, and 1 said they were ready to buy.  That&#8217;s nearly half of the respondents that have indicated they are your market base.</p>
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		<title>By: Patrick Moran, CMO Mzinga</title>
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		<dc:creator>Patrick Moran, CMO Mzinga</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 16 Jan 2009 15:33:44 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Humorous concept for an analyst survey! Fun stuff... I assume you meant it as a light-hearted post.. I think all of the players you mentioned did the right thing and focused on trying to help our prospects and customers understand what we do, rather than writing a pithy tagline.  Mzinga&#039;s (for example) is clearly not a tagline but rather an attempt to help our website visitors make sure they came to the right spot. We felt claiming &quot;leadership&quot; in the line is a waste of text and not credible, so chose words that would resonate with the end user (or tried to anyway!).  


Do the readers of this post think we should go for a unique, pithy, &quot;marketing-differentiated&quot; tagline or help our prospects know what we offer?  let me know</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Humorous concept for an analyst survey! Fun stuff&#8230; I assume you meant it as a light-hearted post.. I think all of the players you mentioned did the right thing and focused on trying to help our prospects and customers understand what we do, rather than writing a pithy tagline.  Mzinga&#8217;s (for example) is clearly not a tagline but rather an attempt to help our website visitors make sure they came to the right spot. We felt claiming &#8220;leadership&#8221; in the line is a waste of text and not credible, so chose words that would resonate with the end user (or tried to anyway!).  </p>
<p>Do the readers of this post think we should go for a unique, pithy, &#8220;marketing-differentiated&#8221; tagline or help our prospects know what we offer?  let me know</p>
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