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	<description>Jeremiah Owyang discusses how web tools and social media enable companies to connect with customers</description>
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		<title>By: Marc Vermut</title>
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		<dc:creator>Marc Vermut</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 22 Nov 2009 02:02:32 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Re: Salary info.  It&#039;s not so anonymous when there are not that many people at your company or not that many of your position.  I can see this working relative to large companies, but then others would be reticent to join.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Re: Salary info.  It&#39;s not so anonymous when there are not that many people at your company or not that many of your position.  I can see this working relative to large companies, but then others would be reticent to join.</p>
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		<title>By: Tim Latham</title>
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		<dc:creator>Tim Latham</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 16 May 2009 21:34:23 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Jeremiah - great articla and I&#039;ve just clicked through to some really interesting apps from it.  We are applying a type of crowdsourcing to recruitment in a really well defined sector - our model is http://prefio.com.  Hopefully of interest to you.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Jeremiah &#8211; great articla and I&#8217;ve just clicked through to some really interesting apps from it.  We are applying a type of crowdsourcing to recruitment in a really well defined sector &#8211; our model is <a href="http://prefio.com" rel="nofollow">http://prefio.com</a>.  Hopefully of interest to you.</p>
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		<title>By: Oliver Perry</title>
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		<dc:creator>Oliver Perry</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 21 Jun 2008 09:42:56 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Excellent article. I agree with Alex. These sites have a greater value than simply boosting salaries or bad mouthing employrs. They provide another source of career information for potential candidates researching companies. For confident employers who engage and listen to these innovative communities, it is a chance to boost their candidate experience and further improve the fit and relevance of candidates that apply to them direcly</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Excellent article. I agree with Alex. These sites have a greater value than simply boosting salaries or bad mouthing employrs. They provide another source of career information for potential candidates researching companies. For confident employers who engage and listen to these innovative communities, it is a chance to boost their candidate experience and further improve the fit and relevance of candidates that apply to them direcly</p>
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		<title>By: iJump.co.nz &#187; Helpful Links &#187; links for 2008-06-17</title>
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		<dc:creator>iJump.co.nz &#187; Helpful Links &#187; links for 2008-06-17</dc:creator>
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		<title>By: Vergelijkingssites voor werkgevers Criticat &#124; Internationaal &#124; Recruitment Matters - Alles over online recruitment</title>
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		<dc:creator>Vergelijkingssites voor werkgevers Criticat &#124; Internationaal &#124; Recruitment Matters - Alles over online recruitment</dc:creator>
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		<title>By: jeremiah_owyang</title>
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		<pubDate>Wed, 11 Jun 2008 22:53:35 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Thanks Mike....</description>
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		<title>By: Mike</title>
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		<dc:creator>Mike</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 11 Jun 2008 22:26:12 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hi Jeremiah,

Great article - thanks! It is really interesting to see how others are leveraging crowds for a wide range of business and personal uses. But, while services like Glassdoor and SalaryScout have valuable information, they don&#039;t feel truly collaborative to me. They are databases of information that individuals can contribute to and  use for their own purposes, not crowdsourcing in a meaningful participatory sense.

True crowdsourcing models allow users to connect in a more meaningful way - think iStockPhoto, Threadless, or even Flickr. These are sites where users learn from one another and benefit from one another&#039;s experience, talents, and insights - not just raw data. If companies allowed their employees to truly share, in the sense that these leaders are about sharing, they could gain great value, knowledge, and loyalty from their workers.

We posted a few weeks ago about the power of collaborative creativity: http://blog.crowdspring.com/2008/05/14/the-power-of-imagination/. 

Thoughts?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hi Jeremiah,</p>
<p>Great article &#8211; thanks! It is really interesting to see how others are leveraging crowds for a wide range of business and personal uses. But, while services like Glassdoor and SalaryScout have valuable information, they don&#8217;t feel truly collaborative to me. They are databases of information that individuals can contribute to and  use for their own purposes, not crowdsourcing in a meaningful participatory sense.</p>
<p>True crowdsourcing models allow users to connect in a more meaningful way &#8211; think iStockPhoto, Threadless, or even Flickr. These are sites where users learn from one another and benefit from one another&#8217;s experience, talents, and insights &#8211; not just raw data. If companies allowed their employees to truly share, in the sense that these leaders are about sharing, they could gain great value, knowledge, and loyalty from their workers.</p>
<p>We posted a few weeks ago about the power of collaborative creativity: <a href="http://blog.crowdspring.com/2008/05/14/the-power-of-imagination/" rel="nofollow">http://blog.crowdspring.com/2008/05/14/the-power-of-imagination/</a>. </p>
<p>Thoughts?</p>
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		<title>By: Alex Hens</title>
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		<dc:creator>Alex Hens</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 11 Jun 2008 19:02:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I think you are on the money, as usual, but your focus is just on the potential for people using such facilities purely for salary gain, the blunt edge of recruitment and retention.  Career changing decisions are generally taken at a deeper level, just like most conscious consumer decisions, so it’s actually more about e-Employer Brand Management.

Let’s be honest, $10k here or £10k there (pre tax) doesn’t make any much difference (and remember salary (certainly in UK reserach) is far less important to GenY than it has been to X or Boomers – although lets see how some economic slow time affects that), however bad recruitment / employee experience (as much as bad customer experience) has the potential of spreading like wild fire and affecting your potential candidates’ perceptions of working for you. You’ll still generate candidates, sure, but if you&#039;re not listening and actively telling your side of the story (as well as ensuring that actually you are a good and / or fair organisation to work for with robust, fair and transparent recruitment processes) then you might just start to find it harder than ever to attract that top talent as word gets out, or at least one strain of your employment truth emerges.

And that’s the point. As you know, the digital world broadcasts individual truths – so corporates’ have to get their heads around this and ensure that as well as their employment house being in order (the starting point!) that they are listening, ready and willing to tell me their truth.

What we should hopefully see is a realisation by those now properly tracking the correlation of these things that investing in and maintaining a strong Employer Brand is just as important as all other marketing channels. Rather than just stating &quot;people are our greatest asset&quot; companies may realise that their whole recruitment and retention piece actually becomes intrinsically linked with their overall brand. You have a bad work experience / recruitment process with company X - would you buy their brand or switch to company Y? And when you have such an experience how much more  p**sed are you than if you just get bad service / the wrong order / cut off? And there the effect begins in earnest.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I think you are on the money, as usual, but your focus is just on the potential for people using such facilities purely for salary gain, the blunt edge of recruitment and retention.  Career changing decisions are generally taken at a deeper level, just like most conscious consumer decisions, so it’s actually more about e-Employer Brand Management.</p>
<p>Let’s be honest, $10k here or £10k there (pre tax) doesn’t make any much difference (and remember salary (certainly in UK reserach) is far less important to GenY than it has been to X or Boomers – although lets see how some economic slow time affects that), however bad recruitment / employee experience (as much as bad customer experience) has the potential of spreading like wild fire and affecting your potential candidates’ perceptions of working for you. You’ll still generate candidates, sure, but if you&#8217;re not listening and actively telling your side of the story (as well as ensuring that actually you are a good and / or fair organisation to work for with robust, fair and transparent recruitment processes) then you might just start to find it harder than ever to attract that top talent as word gets out, or at least one strain of your employment truth emerges.</p>
<p>And that’s the point. As you know, the digital world broadcasts individual truths – so corporates’ have to get their heads around this and ensure that as well as their employment house being in order (the starting point!) that they are listening, ready and willing to tell me their truth.</p>
<p>What we should hopefully see is a realisation by those now properly tracking the correlation of these things that investing in and maintaining a strong Employer Brand is just as important as all other marketing channels. Rather than just stating &#8220;people are our greatest asset&#8221; companies may realise that their whole recruitment and retention piece actually becomes intrinsically linked with their overall brand. You have a bad work experience / recruitment process with company X &#8211; would you buy their brand or switch to company Y? And when you have such an experience how much more  p**sed are you than if you just get bad service / the wrong order / cut off? And there the effect begins in earnest.</p>
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		<title>By: Brian Hayashi</title>
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		<dc:creator>Brian Hayashi</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 11 Jun 2008 18:50:56 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Many incentive programs (particularly contests) can be gamed in a way where employees get the goods but the company loses out on its primary objective. Web 2.0 has always had a perverse gaming attitude: it pervades linking strategies, spam, companies submitting fake reviews about themselves, etc. 

I blogged about the new payola here:
connectme.typepad.com/news/2006/02/the_new_payola_.html

Just like TV shows, this kind of gaming will be focused on what some companies affectionately call &#039;cash and prizes&#039;, or salaries and benefits. I think it&#039;s going to be particularly important for companies to see how crowdsourcing affects healthcare administration. 

Also...when Forrester talks to CEO bloggers, how have the attitudes of the legal department changed? Specifically, how do the legal beagles think about comments, and the CEO blogger&#039;s response to said comments? (...especially if the comments come from someone who fancies themselves a whistleblower??)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Many incentive programs (particularly contests) can be gamed in a way where employees get the goods but the company loses out on its primary objective. Web 2.0 has always had a perverse gaming attitude: it pervades linking strategies, spam, companies submitting fake reviews about themselves, etc. </p>
<p>I blogged about the new payola here:<br />
connectme.typepad.com/news/2006/02/the_new_payola_.html</p>
<p>Just like TV shows, this kind of gaming will be focused on what some companies affectionately call &#8216;cash and prizes&#8217;, or salaries and benefits. I think it&#8217;s going to be particularly important for companies to see how crowdsourcing affects healthcare administration. </p>
<p>Also&#8230;when Forrester talks to CEO bloggers, how have the attitudes of the legal department changed? Specifically, how do the legal beagles think about comments, and the CEO blogger&#8217;s response to said comments? (&#8230;especially if the comments come from someone who fancies themselves a whistleblower??)</p>
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		<title>By: Scott Hepburn</title>
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		<dc:creator>Scott Hepburn</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 11 Jun 2008 18:50:20 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Jeremiah...do these sites require you to disclose your name? Or could you review current and past employers anonymously?

Our company launched an intranet forum to discuss ideas, gather feedback, etc. Participation was lukewarm at first, now cooler. I&#039;ve since put together a private group on Facebook for our franchisees and HQ employees to share feedback, submit ideas, comment on suggestions, rant, rave, etc. It seems to be gathering steam. It all happens outside of official channels, albeit with the corporate blessing.

My June 4 post about the New Employee gets to the fear many companies have. I&#039;d love your feedback.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Jeremiah&#8230;do these sites require you to disclose your name? Or could you review current and past employers anonymously?</p>
<p>Our company launched an intranet forum to discuss ideas, gather feedback, etc. Participation was lukewarm at first, now cooler. I&#8217;ve since put together a private group on Facebook for our franchisees and HQ employees to share feedback, submit ideas, comment on suggestions, rant, rave, etc. It seems to be gathering steam. It all happens outside of official channels, albeit with the corporate blessing.</p>
<p>My June 4 post about the New Employee gets to the fear many companies have. I&#8217;d love your feedback.</p>
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		<title>By: jeremiah_owyang</title>
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		<dc:creator>jeremiah_owyang</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 11 Jun 2008 15:12:08 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Marc

One could use a genearal title, like &quot;Marketing Manager&quot; or &quot;Marketing Director&quot; then</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Marc</p>
<p>One could use a genearal title, like &#8220;Marketing Manager&#8221; or &#8220;Marketing Director&#8221; then</p>
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		<title>By: Marc Vermut</title>
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		<dc:creator>Marc Vermut</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 11 Jun 2008 15:01:16 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Re: Salary info.  It&#039;s not so anonymous when there are not that many people at your company or not that many of your position.  I can see this working relative to large companies, but then others would be reticent to join.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Re: Salary info.  It&#8217;s not so anonymous when there are not that many people at your company or not that many of your position.  I can see this working relative to large companies, but then others would be reticent to join.</p>
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		<title>By: Workhound Job Search Engine Blog &#187; Blog Archive &#187; Glassdoor vs SalaryTrack.co.uk: People vs. Machines</title>
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		<dc:creator>Workhound Job Search Engine Blog &#187; Blog Archive &#187; Glassdoor vs SalaryTrack.co.uk: People vs. Machines</dc:creator>
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		<description>[...] on glassdoor here, here, here, here, here, here and [...]</description>
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		<title>By: jeremiah_owyang</title>
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		<dc:creator>jeremiah_owyang</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 11 Jun 2008 13:32:41 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Annalie

Good point.  I&#039;m hesitant to make recommendations about my current employer in public forums, it makes sense to first do this in private.

The difference between influencing and complaining is that influencers can get the corporations to actually make a change --willingly.

Complainers? well that get cast by the way side, or are dealt with.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Annalie</p>
<p>Good point.  I&#8217;m hesitant to make recommendations about my current employer in public forums, it makes sense to first do this in private.</p>
<p>The difference between influencing and complaining is that influencers can get the corporations to actually make a change &#8211;willingly.</p>
<p>Complainers? well that get cast by the way side, or are dealt with.</p>
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		<title>By: Annalie Killian</title>
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		<dc:creator>Annalie Killian</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 11 Jun 2008 12:43:15 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I guess there&#039;s a sting in the tail for employees who rubbish their own employers publicly-they too will pay the price if the reputation is damaged and the stock price dents or the company cannot attract good people. But, employers too need to take notice that there is no such things as control any more, and manage their relationships with employees with care, respect and a willingness to receive feedback, both positive or not.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I guess there&#8217;s a sting in the tail for employees who rubbish their own employers publicly-they too will pay the price if the reputation is damaged and the stock price dents or the company cannot attract good people. But, employers too need to take notice that there is no such things as control any more, and manage their relationships with employees with care, respect and a willingness to receive feedback, both positive or not.</p>
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		<title>By: John</title>
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		<dc:creator>John</dc:creator>
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		<description>Very interesting, and good news, I think, for the employees.  Let their voice be heard.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Very interesting, and good news, I think, for the employees.  Let their voice be heard.</p>
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