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	<title>Comments on: From Creation to Achivement: the other 5 Stages of Blogging</title>
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	<description>Jeremiah Owyang discusses how web tools and social media enable companies to connect with customers</description>
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		<title>By: Stages of a blog, and some &#8220;vibe&#8221;&#8230; &#171; Me, Life &#38; Everything</title>
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		<dc:creator>Stages of a blog, and some &#8220;vibe&#8221;&#8230; &#171; Me, Life &#38; Everything</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 21 Aug 2007 08:47:42 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] posts as they streamed from your blogs. Read all about the stages of a blog here and then read more here. It is quite an eye [...]</description>
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<p>[...] posts as they streamed from your blogs. Read all about the stages of a blog here and then read more here. It is quite an eye [...]</p>
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		<title>By: Web Strategy by Jeremiah &#187; Behind the Scenes of the Web Strategy Blog</title>
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		<dc:creator>Web Strategy by Jeremiah &#187; Behind the Scenes of the Web Strategy Blog</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 19 Jul 2007 12:28:11 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] A few weeks ago, I shared my thoughts on the five stages of blogging, from creation to achievement. [...]</description>
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<p>[...] A few weeks ago, I shared my thoughts on the five stages of blogging, from creation to achievement. [...]</p>
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		<title>By: Thomas</title>
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		<dc:creator>Thomas</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 16 Jul 2007 17:42:06 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Thanks for the great post. I added your chart to a post I created on &lt;a href=&quot;http://scissormonkey.wordpress.com/2007/07/15/blogging-the-first-55-days/&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;my first 54 days of blogging&lt;/a&gt;. I was heading down the frustration track which I did not want to do. Seeing your chart, reinforced the track I was trying to get back on and helped me refocus my efforts.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thanks for the great post. I added your chart to a post I created on <a href="http://scissormonkey.wordpress.com/2007/07/15/blogging-the-first-55-days/" rel="nofollow">my first 54 days of blogging</a>. I was heading down the frustration track which I did not want to do. Seeing your chart, reinforced the track I was trying to get back on and helped me refocus my efforts.</p>
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		<title>By: All stages of blogging must lead to Nirvana! &#171; Marketing Nirvana</title>
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		<dc:creator>All stages of blogging must lead to Nirvana! &#171; Marketing Nirvana</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 11 Jul 2007 09:42:25 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] Jeremiah: Offers an excellent 2nd option, by diverging from Stage 3 onwards - Stage 3: Focus This means finding your area of expertise that you’re going to write about. What are you an expert at? Focus in on that like a tight laser. [...]</description>
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<p>[...] Jeremiah: Offers an excellent 2nd option, by diverging from Stage 3 onwards &#8211; Stage 3: Focus This means finding your area of expertise that you’re going to write about. What are you an expert at? Focus in on that like a tight laser. [...]</p>
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		<title>By: The Editor's Log</title>
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		<dc:creator>The Editor's Log</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 08 Jul 2007 13:05:06 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;strong&gt;Lifecycles of blogging...&lt;/strong&gt;

I go through various emotional and mental stages with this blog. Now I read two bloggers who have tracked them in two different five-stage tracks. First, Kent Newsome outlined one lifecycle of blogging, from Excitement to Abandonment. Then, Jeremiah Ow...</description>
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<p><strong>Lifecycles of blogging&#8230;</strong></p>
<p>I go through various emotional and mental stages with this blog. Now I read two bloggers who have tracked them in two different five-stage tracks. First, Kent Newsome outlined one lifecycle of blogging, from Excitement to Abandonment. Then, Jeremiah Ow&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: Good Luck With Your Projects &#187; Focus In Blogging</title>
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		<dc:creator>Good Luck With Your Projects &#187; Focus In Blogging</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 08 Jul 2007 01:07:52 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] I&#8217;ve read many an article on blogging, success in blogging and also recently there has been conversations about how bloggers burn out and their blogs lie dormant. I don&#8217;t want this to happen to GLWYP. I enjoy blogging but want to make sure the blog is focussed towards a goal - not just wishy washy posts about nothing (although Seinfeld could probably get away with that). [...]</description>
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<p>[...] I&#8217;ve read many an article on blogging, success in blogging and also recently there has been conversations about how bloggers burn out and their blogs lie dormant. I don&#8217;t want this to happen to GLWYP. I enjoy blogging but want to make sure the blog is focussed towards a goal &#8211; not just wishy washy posts about nothing (although Seinfeld could probably get away with that). [...]</p>
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		<title>By: Web Strategy by Jeremiah &#187; The conversation continues &#8220;the five stages of blogging&#8221;</title>
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		<dc:creator>Web Strategy by Jeremiah &#187; The conversation continues &#8220;the five stages of blogging&#8221;</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 04 Jul 2007 16:48:12 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] Wow, I didn&#8217;t expect the commentary to continue to go on for so long, but I&#8217;m enjoying the discussion on this post about the five stages of blogging. Seth&#8217;s making some interesting points, and is really egging on more discussion from the various folks leaving comments. [...]</description>
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<p>[...] Wow, I didn&#8217;t expect the commentary to continue to go on for so long, but I&#8217;m enjoying the discussion on this post about the five stages of blogging. Seth&#8217;s making some interesting points, and is really egging on more discussion from the various folks leaving comments. [...]</p>
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		<title>By: about blogging &#171; bianca&#8217;s edutech blog</title>
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		<dc:creator>about blogging &#171; bianca&#8217;s edutech blog</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 04 Jul 2007 16:29:35 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] about&#160;blogging    Posted July 5, 2007    Tonight I read this post from Jeremiah Owyang on the other 5 stages of blogging. His take on how blogs evolve and can become successful, go from step 1: Excitement, step 2: Expectation to step 3: Focus, continuing with step 4: Passion and step 5: Achievement. It was his step 3 that set me thinking: Focus. Does my blog have a clear focus? [...]</description>
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<p>[...] about&nbsp;blogging    Posted July 5, 2007    Tonight I read this post from Jeremiah Owyang on the other 5 stages of blogging. His take on how blogs evolve and can become successful, go from step 1: Excitement, step 2: Expectation to step 3: Focus, continuing with step 4: Passion and step 5: Achievement. It was his step 3 that set me thinking: Focus. Does my blog have a clear focus? [...]</p>
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		<title>By: Seth Finkelstein</title>
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		<dc:creator>Seth Finkelstein</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 04 Jul 2007 12:58:42 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Mark, I agree - note the exact quote in comment #13

&quot;As a blogger, you apply passion (and of course leads to content that provides interest and value) will make the blogger into the achivement stage.&quot;

Which refuses to recognize that, mathematically, due to the exponential nature of attention distribution, only a few people can (per topic) get to the achievement stage, no matter what. So, repeating myself, it tends to turn into a berating and exhortation of the frustrated alienated Z-listers who have been conned by the marketers.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Mark, I agree &#8211; note the exact quote in comment #13</p>
<p>&#8220;As a blogger, you apply passion (and of course leads to content that provides interest and value) will make the blogger into the achivement stage.&#8221;</p>
<p>Which refuses to recognize that, mathematically, due to the exponential nature of attention distribution, only a few people can (per topic) get to the achievement stage, no matter what. So, repeating myself, it tends to turn into a berating and exhortation of the frustrated alienated Z-listers who have been conned by the marketers.</p>
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		<title>By: Mark Harrison</title>
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		<dc:creator>Mark Harrison</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 04 Jul 2007 08:43:43 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Seth,

Is the basic problem the following:

Marketing logic 101:

- Doing XXX is necessary
- Therefore if you do XXX, you will succeed

Compare:

- You need to drink water every day to live
- Therefore, if you keep on drinking water every day, you will carry on living

This is what&#039;s known in mathematical circles as confusing &quot;necessary&quot; and &quot;sufficient&quot;?


&quot;Lack of focus guarantees mediocrity&quot; is NOT the same as &quot;Focus guarantees success&quot;.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Seth,</p>
<p>Is the basic problem the following:</p>
<p>Marketing logic 101:</p>
<p>- Doing XXX is necessary<br />
- Therefore if you do XXX, you will succeed</p>
<p>Compare:</p>
<p>- You need to drink water every day to live<br />
- Therefore, if you keep on drinking water every day, you will carry on living</p>
<p>This is what&#8217;s known in mathematical circles as confusing &#8220;necessary&#8221; and &#8220;sufficient&#8221;?</p>
<p>&#8220;Lack of focus guarantees mediocrity&#8221; is NOT the same as &#8220;Focus guarantees success&#8221;.</p>
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		<title>By: Seth Finkelstein</title>
		<link>http://www.web-strategist.com/blog/2007/07/01/from-creation-to-achivement-the-other-5-stages-of-blogging/comment-page-1/#comment-53244</link>
		<dc:creator>Seth Finkelstein</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 03 Jul 2007 20:41:53 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Jonathan, close, a little more complicated. Remember, this thread started from Kent Newsome&#039;s description of the frustration of the relatively unheard (audience-desiring) blogger, and Jeremiah&#039;s marketing-type rejoinder.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Jonathan, close, a little more complicated. Remember, this thread started from Kent Newsome&#8217;s description of the frustration of the relatively unheard (audience-desiring) blogger, and Jeremiah&#8217;s marketing-type rejoinder.</p>
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		<title>By: Jonathan Trenn</title>
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		<dc:creator>Jonathan Trenn</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 03 Jul 2007 20:14:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Could it be that Seth is reacting to those that have evangelized the idea that practically everyone&#039;s voice can be just as powerful as the next person&#039;s?  That it you complain about a particular product or expose a flaw, that you&#039;ll be satisfied by the company&#039;s response?

Maybe Seth is sick of the hype, while others who continue to blog don&#039;t do it because of the hype.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Could it be that Seth is reacting to those that have evangelized the idea that practically everyone&#8217;s voice can be just as powerful as the next person&#8217;s?  That it you complain about a particular product or expose a flaw, that you&#8217;ll be satisfied by the company&#8217;s response?</p>
<p>Maybe Seth is sick of the hype, while others who continue to blog don&#8217;t do it because of the hype.</p>
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		<title>By: Jon Garfunkel</title>
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		<dc:creator>Jon Garfunkel</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 03 Jul 2007 19:36:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Seth -- the operative distinction I was drawing here was between marketing-type blogging and idea-type blogging. If you&#039;re marketing, then a small gain is an acceptable victory. So the conversation goes more like this:

&quot;You need to market yourself!&quot;
&quot;Well, I&#039;m not really taking on clients; I have other work to do. I&#039;m just trying to contribute to the marketplace of ideas.&quot;
&quot;Still, you need to market yourself!&quot;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Seth &#8212; the operative distinction I was drawing here was between marketing-type blogging and idea-type blogging. If you&#8217;re marketing, then a small gain is an acceptable victory. So the conversation goes more like this:</p>
<p>&#8220;You need to market yourself!&#8221;<br />
&#8220;Well, I&#8217;m not really taking on clients; I have other work to do. I&#8217;m just trying to contribute to the marketplace of ideas.&#8221;<br />
&#8220;Still, you need to market yourself!&#8221;</p>
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		<title>By: Jonathan Trenn</title>
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		<dc:creator>Jonathan Trenn</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 03 Jul 2007 19:30:36 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>It would seem to me that the blogosphere is big enough to satisfy both arguments here.  For some, having a relatively successful blog may be establishing a few relationships of note and passing info back and forth.  

For others, Seth is spot on.  You hit a plateau or a glass ceiling or some sort of barrier.  You or your blog ends up not having the panache to move up higher.  Some of the &#039;gatekeepers&#039; help make this so by not engaging you in conversation via your comments...they only address comments by people on their &#039;level&#039; or above.

Blogging takes time.  It takes work.  Got kids? A family? A job?  A life?  For some, if they&#039;re not receiving the emotional benefits from it, it aint&#039; worth it to keep on typing away.

For others, the passion of what they write about and the exchange of ideas with whomever they&#039;ve met is clearly enough.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It would seem to me that the blogosphere is big enough to satisfy both arguments here.  For some, having a relatively successful blog may be establishing a few relationships of note and passing info back and forth.  </p>
<p>For others, Seth is spot on.  You hit a plateau or a glass ceiling or some sort of barrier.  You or your blog ends up not having the panache to move up higher.  Some of the &#8216;gatekeepers&#8217; help make this so by not engaging you in conversation via your comments&#8230;they only address comments by people on their &#8216;level&#8217; or above.</p>
<p>Blogging takes time.  It takes work.  Got kids? A family? A job?  A life?  For some, if they&#8217;re not receiving the emotional benefits from it, it aint&#8217; worth it to keep on typing away.</p>
<p>For others, the passion of what they write about and the exchange of ideas with whomever they&#8217;ve met is clearly enough.</p>
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		<title>By: jeremiah_owyang</title>
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		<dc:creator>jeremiah_owyang</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 03 Jul 2007 19:29:48 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Seth

you&#039;ve some very interesting perspectives, you should write that FAQ.</description>
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<p>you&#8217;ve some very interesting perspectives, you should write that FAQ.</p>
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		<title>By: Seth Finkelstein</title>
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		<dc:creator>Seth Finkelstein</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 03 Jul 2007 15:32:27 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Jon, I&#039;m not ignoring diary-writers, it&#039;s just not relevant to this discussion. Indeed, it&#039;s one of the tedious marketing tactics.

&quot;I want to reach people, and a blog is &lt;em&gt;not working&lt;/em&gt;&quot;.
&quot;But little Z-lister, you can WRITE A DIARY&quot;
&quot;I don&#039;t want to write a diary. My purpose in blogging is to be heard, and I&#039;m not&quot;.
&quot;There&#039;s many people who are happy writing a blog diary&quot;.
&quot;But I&#039;m NOT DOING THAT!&quot;
&quot;Z-lister, are you *CRITICIZING* writing a diary? You think there&#039;s something wrong with it, huh?&quot;
&quot;No, no, I&#039;m sure there&#039;s many people who are happy, but it&#039;s not what I want to do&quot;.

etc. etc.

I keep thinking I should write a FAQ, but nobody much would read it :-(</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Jon, I&#8217;m not ignoring diary-writers, it&#8217;s just not relevant to this discussion. Indeed, it&#8217;s one of the tedious marketing tactics.</p>
<p>&#8220;I want to reach people, and a blog is <em>not working</em>&#8220;.<br />
&#8220;But little Z-lister, you can WRITE A DIARY&#8221;<br />
&#8220;I don&#8217;t want to write a diary. My purpose in blogging is to be heard, and I&#8217;m not&#8221;.<br />
&#8220;There&#8217;s many people who are happy writing a blog diary&#8221;.<br />
&#8220;But I&#8217;m NOT DOING THAT!&#8221;<br />
&#8220;Z-lister, are you *CRITICIZING* writing a diary? You think there&#8217;s something wrong with it, huh?&#8221;<br />
&#8220;No, no, I&#8217;m sure there&#8217;s many people who are happy, but it&#8217;s not what I want to do&#8221;.</p>
<p>etc. etc.</p>
<p>I keep thinking I should write a FAQ, but nobody much would read it <img src='http://www.web-strategist.com/blog/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_sad.gif' alt=':-(' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
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		<title>By: S.Hamel</title>
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		<dc:creator>S.Hamel</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 03 Jul 2007 02:00:21 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Your post reminds me of something I wrote back a few months ago about the lonely life of bloggers (http://blog.immeria.net/2007/02/lonely-life-of-bloggers.html)  When I started blogging in October 2002, I did it out of curiosity and, as an emergency first responder, I wanted to share my experience with others.

Now I&#039;m blogging about web analytics and I do it as a hobby. My blog is not ranking very high and I have never monetized it, but it&#039;s nevertheless a very good social and professional networking tool that brings me a lot of satisfaction.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Your post reminds me of something I wrote back a few months ago about the lonely life of bloggers (<a href="http://blog.immeria.net/2007/02/lonely-life-of-bloggers.html" rel="nofollow">http://blog.immeria.net/2007/02/lonely-life-of-bloggers.html</a>)  When I started blogging in October 2002, I did it out of curiosity and, as an emergency first responder, I wanted to share my experience with others.</p>
<p>Now I&#8217;m blogging about web analytics and I do it as a hobby. My blog is not ranking very high and I have never monetized it, but it&#8217;s nevertheless a very good social and professional networking tool that brings me a lot of satisfaction.</p>
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		<title>By: Jon Garfunkel</title>
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		<dc:creator>Jon Garfunkel</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 03 Jul 2007 01:30:40 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Jeremiah,

Regarding the snake-oil salesman, perhaps Seth was referring to &lt;a href=&quot;http://civilities.net/TheNewGatekeepers&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;the new gatekeepers&lt;/a&gt;: he had linked to it in his post (and it was my discussions with Seth two years back which inspired me to write that series).

I&#039;ll disagree with Seth one point (significant as we agree on a lot); I think he had too quickly ignored the wildly different flavors of blogging (a point he has made before). There is the diary-style (serving oneself) and the persuasive-mode (serving others). In the persuasive mode there are two further types of basic activities: &quot;sales marketing&quot; and &quot;idea development.&quot; (These are admittedly different, and perhaps much more clear, than my earlier work on &lt;a href=&quot;http://civilities.net/BloggerArchetypes&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;blogger archetypes&lt;/a&gt;)

Someone who is marketing their own services (such as Mark H. above, and perhaps yourself) can rightly well claim many of the benefits about using a blog to reach a wider audience. One can also spend their time on mailing lists, or leaving comments on other blogs; generally having your own blog helps build a brand identity.

Where Seth comes from is the discipline of &quot;idea development.&quot; Seth (and others, like Kent Newsome, Tristan Louis, myself, and others) are not professional web marketers. Personally speaking, it&#039;s more of an intellectual pursuit to develop ideas and throw them into the wind. Many political bloggers are trying to get new ideas as well-- though they find themselves competing against the &quot;new gatekeepers&quot; of political punditry, many of whom are now political consultants/operatives.

This is not to say that the &quot;idea development&quot; is a holier discipline. It&#039;s a tougher discipline, and one often has higher expectations of success. And if one truly wants to lead an idea movement, one is often has to devote themselves full-time to the sales/marketing aspect.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Jeremiah,</p>
<p>Regarding the snake-oil salesman, perhaps Seth was referring to <a href="http://civilities.net/TheNewGatekeepers" rel="nofollow">the new gatekeepers</a>: he had linked to it in his post (and it was my discussions with Seth two years back which inspired me to write that series).</p>
<p>I&#8217;ll disagree with Seth one point (significant as we agree on a lot); I think he had too quickly ignored the wildly different flavors of blogging (a point he has made before). There is the diary-style (serving oneself) and the persuasive-mode (serving others). In the persuasive mode there are two further types of basic activities: &#8220;sales marketing&#8221; and &#8220;idea development.&#8221; (These are admittedly different, and perhaps much more clear, than my earlier work on <a href="http://civilities.net/BloggerArchetypes" rel="nofollow">blogger archetypes</a>)</p>
<p>Someone who is marketing their own services (such as Mark H. above, and perhaps yourself) can rightly well claim many of the benefits about using a blog to reach a wider audience. One can also spend their time on mailing lists, or leaving comments on other blogs; generally having your own blog helps build a brand identity.</p>
<p>Where Seth comes from is the discipline of &#8220;idea development.&#8221; Seth (and others, like Kent Newsome, Tristan Louis, myself, and others) are not professional web marketers. Personally speaking, it&#8217;s more of an intellectual pursuit to develop ideas and throw them into the wind. Many political bloggers are trying to get new ideas as well&#8211; though they find themselves competing against the &#8220;new gatekeepers&#8221; of political punditry, many of whom are now political consultants/operatives.</p>
<p>This is not to say that the &#8220;idea development&#8221; is a holier discipline. It&#8217;s a tougher discipline, and one often has higher expectations of success. And if one truly wants to lead an idea movement, one is often has to devote themselves full-time to the sales/marketing aspect.</p>
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		<title>By: Seth Finkelstein</title>
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		<dc:creator>Seth Finkelstein</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 03 Jul 2007 01:09:17 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Sigh. I really shouldn&#039;t do this argument. I know how it goes. 

There&#039;s various levels of hucksterism - from cynical liars to troubled hopers to the Kool-Aid overdosed. Think of faith-healers. Some are in it as blatant manipulation, some try to resolve the conflict between what they believe and what they know, and some are just plain deluded. That holds true for religious evangelists and for blog evangelists. The problem is that both the liars and the true believers will say similar things protesting how could anyone doubt their honesty.

I&#039;m not going to name names. There&#039;s no point. It&#039;s a distraction from the mathematics that in a lottery, even a small lottery, a few end up with a lot while many get nothing. How people deal with that varies, and there&#039;s no point in calling out anyone in specific in this thread (hence it was not a personal attack).</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Sigh. I really shouldn&#8217;t do this argument. I know how it goes. </p>
<p>There&#8217;s various levels of hucksterism &#8211; from cynical liars to troubled hopers to the Kool-Aid overdosed. Think of faith-healers. Some are in it as blatant manipulation, some try to resolve the conflict between what they believe and what they know, and some are just plain deluded. That holds true for religious evangelists and for blog evangelists. The problem is that both the liars and the true believers will say similar things protesting how could anyone doubt their honesty.</p>
<p>I&#8217;m not going to name names. There&#8217;s no point. It&#8217;s a distraction from the mathematics that in a lottery, even a small lottery, a few end up with a lot while many get nothing. How people deal with that varies, and there&#8217;s no point in calling out anyone in specific in this thread (hence it was not a personal attack).</p>
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		<title>By: jeremiah_owyang</title>
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		<dc:creator>jeremiah_owyang</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 02 Jul 2007 20:43:27 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Seth

Out of curiousity, Who are you referring to as blog snake oil salesmen?</description>
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<p>Out of curiousity, Who are you referring to as blog snake oil salesmen?</p>
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